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kingtodd
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| Flint and Port Huron also now have NAHL teams after their minor pro teams folded this offseason. |
I also saw something about it being too close to Saginaw. Perani Arena is still a goold 30 mins to 45 from Saginaw. But I do not believe the fans in Flint would like the OHL, or Junior hockey at all.
The team they just had (The Flint Generals) went to the Finals and they didnt really have that great of a turnout for the games. All the fans in Flint like are fights. The city is also upset with the new club the Michigan Warriors for not being active in the city as it is. They aren't going to community events. I still feel since the Generals folded that the team should change its name to the Flint Warriors and get rid of that tacky ugly looking excuse for a logo that they have. However, they do have an OHL person running the team as it is owned by Moe Mantha (coached Saginaw for a bit)
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sports_nut
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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USHL, please. I wouldn't go see the USHL if they were playing in my backyard.
In all seriousness, the USHL is comparable to high school level sports in the American mind - a feeder for college hockey. Junior is a direct route to the pros. It would require some educational marketing in WNY, yes, but it would work. |
I would go see the USHL if they played in the rink in my back yard. But they don't, and I've never been in the rink in my back yard.
Perhaps the inferiority of US junior hockey taints the impression of Canadian junior hockey in the minds of most Americans ..
Wait, which thread is this? |
No you are right , you stated the "IFFERIORITY" of the USHL taints the the impression of Junior hockey in Canada in the minds of most Americans .
Truth be known most high school hockey teams in Canada are on a par with most University teams in the good old USA !!!! |
I hope you're joking.
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Eagle Vision
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Truth be known, three of the OHL's top 5 unstable markets/teams have to be in the US right now. Out of a grand total of three US teams. Of course trends and micro-trends are always out there waiting to be bucked. Just look at St. Kitts after so many people claiming that Jr. hockey has failed and will fail again there.
Of course you'd need a new Arena in Chatham, but that's not different from many communities where you'd consider an OHL team in Ontario, just those needs are not as "immediate." |
EV, could you possibly expound on your "truth" or is it possible that facts may get in the way of a good story? I realize there's a possiblity that the Otters can leave Erie (maybe if the aforementioned renovations don't go through), but the Whalers leave Plymouth? Really???????????
One thing I have noticed about all of the possible Ontario locations mentioned for an OHL franchise is that most (if not all) would need, if not a new building, a SERIOUS upgrade worthy of hosting an OHL team. If that were to happen, what would ticket prices be like? Would the citizens of those regions be willing to pay $15-$20 a game for the O compared to (just guessing here)$5-$7 a game for Junior B or C hockey? |
The Whalers have been for sale for a while now.
Here's the issue.
You have to take the arena with the team, which hardly makes moving the team to North Bay and owning an empty arena in Plymouth worthwhile.
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Danger Girl
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Truth be known, three of the OHL's top 5 unstable markets/teams have to be in the US right now. Out of a grand total of three US teams. Of course trends and micro-trends are always out there waiting to be bucked. Just look at St. Kitts after so many people claiming that Jr. hockey has failed and will fail again there.
Of course you'd need a new Arena in Chatham, but that's not different from many communities where you'd consider an OHL team in Ontario, just those needs are not as "immediate." |
EV, could you possibly expound on your "truth" or is it possible that facts may get in the way of a good story? I realize there's a possiblity that the Otters can leave Erie (maybe if the aforementioned renovations don't go through), but the Whalers leave Plymouth? Really???????????
One thing I have noticed about all of the possible Ontario locations mentioned for an OHL franchise is that most (if not all) would need, if not a new building, a SERIOUS upgrade worthy of hosting an OHL team. If that were to happen, what would ticket prices be like? Would the citizens of those regions be willing to pay $15-$20 a game for the O compared to (just guessing here)$5-$7 a game for Junior B or C hockey? |
The Whalers have been for sale for a while now.
Here's the issue.
You have to take the arena with the team, which hardly makes moving the team to North Bay and owning an empty arena in Plymouth worthwhile. |
I don't think the Whalers are for sale. Karmaonos likes hockey again. Maybe next lock-out...
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ZinErie
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:58 am Post subject: Youngstown |
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| Youngstown is only 30 or 40 minutes from Erie. In that respect, it isn't too far from the Canadian markets in that a road trip to Erie would include Y-town. The question to me is if there is enough of a fan base to support a team. |
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nfthunder
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Burlington and Oakville are close enough to both Brampton and Mississauga for OHL fans in that area to get their fix. Driving 20-30 minutes isn't a significant sacrafice for somebody that is truly a fan of the OHL product. A St. Thomas team would either struggle to build a fan base or significantly weaken London's in order to remain viable. One incredibally strong franchise in that region is better for the league than 2 mediocre ones.
Finally, I hope this thread isn't built on the belief that the league should expand. 20 teams is already stretching it in regards to being able to offer a quality product. Expanding would be going down the path of junior A in the GTA. |
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hockeynutinontario
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Not wanting to nitpick, but I can't see getting from Burlington to either the Hershey Centre or Powerade Centre in 20-30 minutes. With no traffic (ha!) and if you lived beside the freeway, 30 minutes would be possible from some parts of Burlington. More likely, 45-60 minutes on Sunday afternoon (QEW traffic is bad until 2-3 Sunday afternoon I find) and at least 60 minutes on weeknights. From Burlington, it's definitely easier to go up Appleby Line or highway 6 to Guelph than to get to Peel Region.
I'm crazy, I drive a lot further regularly to various places. But most people in Halton won't be going to Mississauga or Brampton unless they're a die hard. |
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Otto
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Not wanting to nitpick, but I can't see getting from Burlington to either the Hershey Centre or Powerade Centre in 20-30 minutes. With no traffic (ha!) and if you lived beside the freeway, 30 minutes would be possible from some parts of Burlington. More likely, 45-60 minutes on Sunday afternoon (QEW traffic is bad until 2-3 Sunday afternoon I find) and at least 60 minutes on weeknights. From Burlington, it's definitely easier to go up Appleby Line or highway 6 to Guelph than to get to Peel Region.
I'm crazy, I drive a lot further regularly to various places. But most people in Halton won't be going to Mississauga or Brampton unless they're a die hard. |
You're right, you're crazy. I've done the drive to both Arenas from the Palmer Drive area (going accross highway 5) and the New Street & Appleby area (Q.E.W.) numerous times in 30 minutes on a Sunday afternoon. Usually leaving around 1pm for a 2:00 game with plenty of time to watch warm-ups
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battalionfan888
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Not wanting to nitpick, but I can't see getting from Burlington to either the Hershey Centre or Powerade Centre in 20-30 minutes. With no traffic (ha!) and if you lived beside the freeway, 30 minutes would be possible from some parts of Burlington. More likely, 45-60 minutes on Sunday afternoon (QEW traffic is bad until 2-3 Sunday afternoon I find) and at least 60 minutes on weeknights. From Burlington, it's definitely easier to go up Appleby Line or highway 6 to Guelph than to get to Peel Region.
I'm crazy, I drive a lot further regularly to various places. But most people in Halton won't be going to Mississauga or Brampton unless they're a die hard. |
You're right, you're crazy. I've done the drive to both Arenas from the Palmer Drive area (going accross highway 5) and the New Street & Appleby area (Q.E.W.) numerous times in 30 minutes on a Sunday afternoon. Usually leaving around 1pm for a 2:00 game with plenty of time to watch warm-ups |
No kidding you must be one of those guys going 80 in the slow lane. I just did an entire season of Brampton hockey coming from Hamilton (other side of the skyway) on Sunday afternoons and not once did it take me more than 45 minutes, easily 20-30 mins from Burlington
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hockeynutinontario
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Can you make it in 30 minutes from the city limits? Probably in ideal conditions. But most people live 10-15 minutes from the freeway, so the distance it is from QEW and Burloak (the closest spot in Burlington to either arena time-wise) is a lot different than Brant and Lakeshore or Walkers and Dundas.
The times I've tried to get from Burlington to Powerade Centre Sunday afternoon, i've hit traffic until the QEW/403 split. Maybe I'm unlucky.
Point still is, Burlington isn't exactly in the back yard of any existing team. |
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Otto
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Can you make it in 30 minutes from the city limits? Probably in ideal conditions. But most people live 10-15 minutes from the freeway, so the distance it is from QEW and Burloak (the closest spot in Burlington to either arena time-wise) is a lot different than Brant and Lakeshore or Walkers and Dundas.
The times I've tried to get from Burlington to Powerade Centre Sunday afternoon, i've hit traffic until the QEW/403 split. Maybe I'm unlucky.
Point still is, Burlington isn't exactly in the back yard of any existing team. |
The Q.E.W. is 3 minutes from Brant & Lakeshore
The aforementioned Palmer Drive is Southwest of Walkers & Dundas ... as I said I have routinely taken Dundas street and been at both arenas in 30 minutes .. but regardless it is still less than 5 minutes to the Q.E.W. from there.
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Danger Girl
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Can you make it in 30 minutes from the city limits? Probably in ideal conditions. But most people live 10-15 minutes from the freeway, so the distance it is from QEW and Burloak (the closest spot in Burlington to either arena time-wise) is a lot different than Brant and Lakeshore or Walkers and Dundas.
The times I've tried to get from Burlington to Powerade Centre Sunday afternoon, i've hit traffic until the QEW/403 split. Maybe I'm unlucky.
Point still is, Burlington isn't exactly in the back yard of any existing team. |
The Q.E.W. is 3 minutes from Brant & Lakeshore
The aforementioned Palmer Drive is Southwest of Walkers & Dundas ... as I said I have routinely taken Dundas street and been at both arenas in 30 minutes .. but regardless it is still less than 5 minutes to the Q.E.W. from there. |
What does this do with adding American teams?
Otto, you can't call for staying on topic in one thread and contribute to the tangents in another. It just ain't right.
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spiritfan8
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| Truth be known, three of the OHL's top 5 unstable markets/teams have to be in the US right now. Out of a grand total of three US teams. Of course trends and micro-trends are always out there waiting to be bucked. Just look at St. Kitts after so many people claiming that Jr. hockey has failed and will fail again there. |
OK, so according to you--with no substantiation--Plymouth is for sale.
Erie is--maybe--using an arena upgrade as a bribe to stay put.
How about the Spirit? And please be aware that I am ready and waiting for you to mention the rumoured move to Midland.....
Tossing a statement out that says all three US teams are shaky--just to say it--is somewhat beneath you, EV.
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Danger Girl
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Truth be known, three of the OHL's top 5 unstable markets/teams have to be in the US right now. Out of a grand total of three US teams. Of course trends and micro-trends are always out there waiting to be bucked. Just look at St. Kitts after so many people claiming that Jr. hockey has failed and will fail again there. |
OK, so according to you--with no substantiation--Plymouth is for sale.
Erie is--maybe--using an arena upgrade as a bribe to stay put.
How about the Spirit? And please be aware that I am ready and waiting for you to mention the rumoured move to Midland.....
Tossing a statement out that says all three US teams are shaky--just to say it--is somewhat beneath you, EV. |
Rumor has it that Garber is looking to sell/dissolve/relocate the OHL franchise and buy/create an ECHL franchise in Saginaw instead.
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BPFox
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Rumor has it that Garber is looking to sell/dissolve/relocate the OHL franchise and buy/create an ECHL franchise in Saginaw instead. |
Wow DG, that's quite the rumor! Just a couple of thoughts if I may. There is no way anyone would "dissolve" an OHL franchise. To sell it would most likely result in it being relocated, but there is no way Garber would relocate it and add an ECHL team. Now would he want to sell it and make the move to an ECHL club. Who knows, it's a possibility. That said, the Red Wings might be soon looking for a new home, maybe he can talk them into moving to Saginaw.
Rumors are funny things. Most rumors start with some discussions that get leaked or parts of discussions that get leaked and people add their own thoughts to the story and it takes off. A good example of this it the story about the Spirit moving to Midland. Now it's no secret that the millage renewal is up for a vote this fall for the operation of the Event Center ( the Spirit's current home). That said, it's easy to ask the question; "What happens if the millage fails and Saginaw County decides to sell or close the event center?" It is a fact that the Spirit were approached by an investment group looking to build a new arena/multipurpose facility in the event that the millage failed and the current Event Center was closed. They of course were looking to secure a major tenant for their new adventure and it only made sence to approach the Spirit with their ideas and plans. That said, two locations were proposed and both of them were in Saginaw County. So the move to Midland was just a case of somebody adding their own thoughts into the story and starting a rumor.
So where might the ECHL rumor come from. Perhaps it's an expansion of the demise of the Flint Generals. Perhaps discussions have taken place on how best to ge those fans to travel north for hockey. Now Flint is getting a junior team but there as a number of folks that don't think Flint will support a junior team. The question then becomes can a distinction be made between junior and major junior to cause these folks to travel north for better hockey. Or, is the the "minor pro" mentality so engrained in the heads of hockey fans in the mid-Michigan area that only a minor pro team can succeed? And bingo, I have just steered you to the rumor of and ECHL team in mid-Michigan. There is one major problem. The ECHL team in Toledo is called the Walleyes, that just isn't going to fly in Saginaw. 
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Otto
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| hockeynutinontario wrote: |
Can you make it in 30 minutes from the city limits? Probably in ideal conditions. But most people live 10-15 minutes from the freeway, so the distance it is from QEW and Burloak (the closest spot in Burlington to either arena time-wise) is a lot different than Brant and Lakeshore or Walkers and Dundas.
The times I've tried to get from Burlington to Powerade Centre Sunday afternoon, i've hit traffic until the QEW/403 split. Maybe I'm unlucky.
Point still is, Burlington isn't exactly in the back yard of any existing team. |
The Q.E.W. is 3 minutes from Brant & Lakeshore
The aforementioned Palmer Drive is Southwest of Walkers & Dundas ... as I said I have routinely taken Dundas street and been at both arenas in 30 minutes .. but regardless it is still less than 5 minutes to the Q.E.W. from there. |
What does this do with adding American teams?
Otto, you can't call for staying on topic in one thread and contribute to the tangents in another. It just ain't right. |
It's relevent in the discussion of expansion because there are some who feel that Burlington is better for expansion than any U.S. city. My point is that it is not better and that should there be expansion in the OHL it would be better suited to be in a U.S. City
Aside from that I understand and appreciate how sometimes threads can go off topic. My issue in the other thread isn't that it went off topic, it was with what the topic got swtiched to. A topic that has been brought up over and over and over again, usually by the same people.
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Danger Girl
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Rumor has it that Garber is looking to sell/dissolve/relocate the OHL franchise and buy/create an ECHL franchise in Saginaw instead. |
Wow DG, that's quite the rumor! Just a couple of thoughts if I may. There is no way anyone would "dissolve" an OHL franchise. To sell it would most likely result in it being relocated, but there is no way Garber would relocate it and add an ECHL team. Now would he want to sell it and make the move to an ECHL club. Who knows, it's a possibility. That said, the Red Wings might be soon looking for a new home, maybe he can talk them into moving to Saginaw. |
It is quite a rumor. But I've heard it from several people who are in no way related to each other. But that's not to say that they didn't hear it from the same source. At any rate, I hope it's not the case.
As for the Walleyes, Saginaw coulda/shoulda picked that name from the start. But no, they had to go with one of those annoying collective singular names.
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Eagle Vision
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Truth be known, three of the OHL's top 5 unstable markets/teams have to be in the US right now. Out of a grand total of three US teams. Of course trends and micro-trends are always out there waiting to be bucked. Just look at St. Kitts after so many people claiming that Jr. hockey has failed and will fail again there. |
OK, so according to you--with no substantiation--Plymouth is for sale.
Erie is--maybe--using an arena upgrade as a bribe to stay put.
How about the Spirit? And please be aware that I am ready and waiting for you to mention the rumoured move to Midland.....
Tossing a statement out that says all three US teams are shaky--just to say it--is somewhat beneath you, EV. |
The Whalers were recently on the market, the problem was the arena . . . and team were a package deal. If you had the OHL's version of Ballsile, they would already have relocated.
Erie's troubles are well documented. They don't start and end with the team struggling in the standings and with playoff revenue, the team lost a whole tonne of Saturday night slots to that NBA D-league team. Things should become a lot more stable with the arrival of some arena renos. If the "right" people came calling, meaning city with the right arena, etc, etc, that would be the end of the OHL in Erie.
Saginaw, somehow despite their strong attendance in the arena are suffering greatly with their sponsorship, and of the three US teams for the last 20 months have been in the most problems.
It's not speculation on my part, there are issues in the OHL's US cities. A better argument might be that my comments don't universally apply to all US cities.
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